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okay

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so

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as i introduced uh talks about the

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european fund food fighters of world war

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just a quick background about myself um

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i come from an aviation historic

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background

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i live up into thunderland um the

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picture there is me and luis alzondo

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that was last october i had a pleasure

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of meeting him i had lunch with him in

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london um as an aviation historian i

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went to siberia back in 1992 to

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photograph aircraft so i've been

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interested in aircraft since about the

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age of four so that's what 50 odd years

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i got into ufos by

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reading science fiction when i was about

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eight or nine my mother thought she was

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doing me a favor by buying me another

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book which she thought science fiction

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turned up the book with a flying saucer

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in the front about ufos that's how i got

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into the subject

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um i've also had an invested in world

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war ii from about that age as well so

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everything came together with the foo

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fighters um i'm now a member of uap

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media uk which some of you might heard

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of we include people like um andy

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mcgrillen who does that ufo podcast uh

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vinnie uh adams who does the disclosure

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team podcast uh dan zetstrong the author

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the artist etc

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so

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really everything you think you know

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about the food fighters just put that to

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one side for the time being next slide

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the foo fight of the myth effectively

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starts from december 1945 where a guy

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called joe chamberlain wrote a magazine

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a magazine article in american legion

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which was a forces magazine

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and the article was called the fruitfly

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mystery and in the article which was

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about a page page and a half or so he

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included about nine separate

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events which had happened in the last

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six months or so of the war over uh

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western germany eastern francis and

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belgium

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and

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they've actually come from an

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intelligence report which had been

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written at the end of january 1945. so

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they weren't true

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to a point

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but with a few extra stories which

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included from the daytime pilots who

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have seen strange things in the day and

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hints about stuff that happened in the

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pacific wall that was it

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and really apart from a couple of

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stories that appeared in like the flying

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source of review

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and leonard springfield's prefer

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magazine in 1955 there was very little

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in terms of any kind of stories by the

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foo fighters so naturally a lot of

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authors who wrote books in the 50s 60s

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70s and 80s just glossed over the

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subject you'll find books which don't

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even cover it and if they do it's only a

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line or two very little little little

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covered less likely

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they talk about in the article it refers

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to certain u.s army air force knight

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fighter squadrons um this is just one

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this is just to give you some examples

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of what the types of aircraft that were

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being used this is a bristol boat

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fighter it was actually based uh with

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the light fighter squadron an american

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one which was based in italy it's the

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same type of aircraft these are raf

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aircraft that were passed the americans

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to the aircraft the americans didn't

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have any indigenous knife fighter

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designs of their own at the time

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next slide please

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um but they did actually develop one

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called the black widow and this was

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based with the 422nd which was also um

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operated out of belgium um over the

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winter 4445 this squadron the pilots and

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the crews there saw them as what was saw

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these food fighters as well foo fighters

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being balls of light that followed the

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aircraft south of their wingtips um

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weren't hostile but they couldn't shake

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them didn't matter what they did the

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vase of maneuvers all the rest of it

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they just sat

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until they decided to go away of their

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own volition and nobody knew what they

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were next slide please

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so as i said before look at these books

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look at the magazine articles from the

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50s 60s etc etc and you won't find much

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reference to the food fighters

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subject which didn't really need to be

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covered because there wasn't much

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information to go on and what there was

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had already been covered and there was

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no extra information that could flesh it

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so reality

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was it what the myth was or is it

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march 1942 there is a polish crude

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wellington coming back from a rain on

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essen in germany in the ruin and they're

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flying over holland over what is now the

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parts of the zodiac sea the england sea

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which has now been reclaimed land

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the the tail gunner so you can see

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there's a tail gun there there's a nose

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gun there's no uh mid of a gun uh

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position there's just the two gun

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turrets on either end of the swellington

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bomber the tail gonna tell the pilot

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there was an orange light coming up

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behind the aircraft and the the polish

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pilot

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told the gunner to open fire on it if

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you get closer because they thought it

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was a german knight fighter

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the light closed in the tailgate opened

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fire in it and nothing happened

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the light then moved around to the

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wingtip the port wingtip of the aircraft

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left the left went in and sat there for

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a while

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that meant that the nose gunner could

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turn his guns and fire on it again

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nothing happened the bullets the tracer

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bullets would seem to go into the light

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and nothing resulted it wasn't damaged

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didn't fall out the sky in flames it

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just sat there it then moved around to

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the front of the aircraft into position

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some distance often knows the aircraft

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as the aircraft was flying through the

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sky

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and sat there for a bit and then just

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disappeared off into the heavens

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they didn't know what it was

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when they got back to base they were

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debriefed by the intelligence officers

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who didn't really believe them but one

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of the pilots and squadrons in the same

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spotlight who was flying behind this

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aircraft

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said that they'd seen it as well but

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they didn't report it

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bear in mind it's like what happened in

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the 50s and 60s with the american pilots

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with the stigma that you know when you

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don't report because people laugh at you

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or people don't believe you it happened

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in world war ii as well

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the pilot of this aircraft the polish

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guy he actually moved to vancouver after

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the war and he gave an account of his

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of this event

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to somebody who reported to fight sorts

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of review in 1962 that's how the story

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came out and if you look hard enough on

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the internet you will find actually a an

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audio recording of the pilot talking

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about this incident that's really

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interesting

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so give a look at some of the reports i

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mean i'm not really going to go into

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these in too much detail but i've got

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the summary up on the right there and

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this is from an august 1942 report about

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strange things that we've seen in the

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sky

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and i'll talk about german super weapons

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in a bit but just keep in mind that at

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the time everything that the the pilots

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were reporting the crews are reporting

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the intelligence people thought these

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must be german secret weapons because

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you know there was no concept of aliens

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or uh flying sources or anything like

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that back then everything they were

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seeing that they couldn't understand

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must have been some radical new

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development the germans were building so

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this particular one is talked about as

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being a bright light that changes course

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oversight reported in the subsequent

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november 1942 now actually it was before

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this but they started trying to analyze

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the reports of lights following aircraft

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and over the months before that you're

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looking back to even more in more than a

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year now

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um to see every month there'll be a

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intelligence report about different

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facets of the night bombing rights

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against germany so we're looking at

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flack they were looking at night

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fighters everything to do with the

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missions but every so every month there

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was a section about followings

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and most of the time they were just

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lights they didn't even notice anything

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behind the lights they couldn't identify

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what they were

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they had aircraft recognition lessons

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they knew what they were seeing when

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they saw them but a lot of the times

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these were just lights that followed and

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document it talks about the distances

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that these lights were following in one

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case 250 miles that one one was followed

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by a light now that would be a german

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knight fighter it would try to shoot the

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bomber down there was no nothing to be

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gained by simply following bombers

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and in most cases they just couldn't

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work out what was going on

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so there's this kind of

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information that's lurking in the

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background the raf look at it they look

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continuously over about a year and a

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half and come to no proper conclusion

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because they're not doing anything

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they're not hostile they're not

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interfering with the bombing range so

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over the same month as that report came

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1955 newsletter it was called krifo it

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was done by leonard springfield who some

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of you might know was an investigator

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from back then

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and a united states army air force uh

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b-24 liberator who just just arrived in

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cornwall to conduct anti-submarine

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warfare flights over the bay of this

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game of france

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they were followed by something that

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came up behind them

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um and it was described by the witness

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who was the ball turret gunner

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and you can't quite see that position on

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this photograph because the vaulter is

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winched back inside the aircraft from

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the land otherwise it would scrape the

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bottom they're only

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they described it as being a massive

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craft and it was devoid of wings it then

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reversed courts after a while but not

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before somalia bought aircraft took

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pictures of it but those pictures have

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so we've gone further in the wall and in

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1955 there was a famous case involving

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airliner in new zealand and this

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prompted a former rf pilot who was

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living in new zealand who's a new

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zealander i do know his name but

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his family at the moment don't want his

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name being released

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um he wrote to the aviation minister in

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new zealand to say i have this

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information about what happened to me in

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the war it might help you in trying to

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determine what this pilot has seen in

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1955

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and there's about a five page letter and

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he talks about an encounter he had over

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north africa where a light followed his

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hurricane

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and basically sat off the wingtip and

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followed him and every so often he could

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actually out turn it and get sort of

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behind it if you like and you open fire

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it with 20 millimeter cannons which were

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designed to rip open tanks and and other

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vehicles but nothing happened again

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you start to see a pattern here now

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and

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in his squadron number 73 squadron the

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pilots were ridiculing the people who

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are coming forward to say i'm seeing

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these strange things

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but one by one the people in the

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squadron the pirates of the squadron

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started seeing them

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as you can see here this is just a blow

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up of part of the letter and it says i

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found altering course height and speed

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that the light did likewise though the

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change was sudden there would be a short

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timeline before it caught up by turning

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suddenly and steeply i was able to chase

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the light around in a circle until i

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could aim my 420 millimeter canvas so

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that's what i've just said there

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that's him actually saying that he was

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able to open fire this but later he says

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that it had no effect it still followed

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him

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it wasn't just nighttime events that

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were happening there were things

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happening in the daytime that people

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couldn't understand as well

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so this is a report from an american

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american bomber units um and they're

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talking about an odd silvery shaped

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object that is just suspended

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in mid-air a lot of people thought that

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well there might be barrage balloons or

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strange kind of anti-aircraft bursts and

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flat bursts

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but a lot of these things stayed in the

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air much longer than like an

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anti-aircraft burst uh would do because

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the shuffle from a burst would dissipate

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over a few you know over 30 seconds or

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less it wouldn't hang in the air for

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ages

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some of these things were seen for 15

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minutes or longer and they do

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crop up in the reports

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often you see them and they just didn't

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know what they were again they thought

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some of the things i found when i was

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researching the book i've written

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don't appear anywhere else

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and i looked through various other

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squadron records which i held in the

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national archives in london and

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the there's quite a few from rf bomber

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units who were based in italy in 1944

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but they weren't raiding germany there

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were raiding places in romania bulgaria

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um

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croatia hungary those places in the

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balkans and there's a few squadrons

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involved number one seminar squadron and

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the 614 squadron it's quite a few and

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you'll see reference after reference to

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red lights following aircraft and

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sometimes it's one sometimes it's two

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and in one particular case

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one aircraft was followed by six red

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lights one of which was gaining on the

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aircraft now were these knight fighters

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where these kind of rockets

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clearly the bomber from the crews and

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the intelligence officers can be

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squadrons out of the case but

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unfortunately in this part of the world

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the german knight fighter force didn't

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really didn't really exist but we didn't

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have those kind of aircraft though they

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were kept for the western front and for

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the eastern front but the balkans

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and in another case there was a number

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of lights surrounded by aircraft as well

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and they were seeing things that were

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flying around they simply couldn't

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understand them but i'll get onto the

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kind of possible candidates in a little

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just small reports just to flesh out

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this part of the uh the presentation

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there's much more in the book this is

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not this is not all there is there are

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you know 100 more things like this

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so the top one you have 158 squadron uh

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they were operating over germany from

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england in february 1945 they're talking

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about a torpedo-shaped object one of two

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now people might think the time that was

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actually a missile and some description

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but i'll explain why that's not the case

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when i get onto the the wonder effort

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but

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these things are prop up in the records

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every so often

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so you do see reference to these very

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strange um either torpedo or

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cigar-shaped objects some which are much

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bigger than any kind of missile they're

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talking 200 300 feet estimated size

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and the bottom one is

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the war diary of a nine fighter squadron

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american one based in italy so this is

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again february 45 and this is one of the

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first um records of food fighters on the

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italian camp theatre of operations and

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you see that in the fourth line from the

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bottom uh and the major the obviously

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they didn't the intelligence officer who

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wrote the diary didn't quite believe

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what was going on because he says that

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the food fighters uh are a post cognac

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um

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sort of you know kind of

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something lined up and he says no the

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teacher was the tea tablers are actually

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seeing these things so it wasn't if

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people were drinking on duty because

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some pilots and our athletes in

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particular were asked are you drinking

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so i promised you

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to talk about the the wonder weapons the

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german secret weapons because again the

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time intelligence people thought that's

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must be what these are so when you're

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looking at kind of strange things the

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best way to attack it is to look at the

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stuff that you understand and try to

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rule it out one by one so you're left

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with things that might be the kind of

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cause

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so the obvious thing would be the v

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weapons then things everybody's familiar

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with so you've got the v1 and the v2

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and yes okay

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you might think these things would be

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responsible because well what else would

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they be

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unfortunately the height that some of

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the things the the objects were seen at

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night the lights you're talking about

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twenty thousand twenty five thousand

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feet

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the v1 could only operate to about three

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and a half thousand to four thousand

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feet the pulse jet

451
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motor on it you'd see there in the

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photograph

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it basically tailed off with any kind of

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performance above those altitudes it was

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absolutely useless so

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that's why they flew a certain height

457
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and also you can't get those things off

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the ground um with just a pulse jet

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alone they have to be

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the performance would drop to the point

461
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where it would fall out in the sky um

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you know it hikes above um four thousand

463
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five thousand six thousand feet heavily

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and the v2 basically launched upwards

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and it went in a ballistic trajectory it

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didn't fly horizontally it didn't zigzag

467
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in flight it didn't chase after bombers

468
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it didn't sit on wingtips all that kind

469
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of thing it's preposterous to think that

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v2 would actually do that and that's not

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the picture there shows no standard v2

472
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that's actually the what they call the

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a4b which is a wind variant of the v2

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rocket which was designed to try and get

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longer range out of it

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next slide please

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so i was talking about rotten things

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that were flying very fast at night

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especially over the balkans and at the

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time they thought that they might have

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been knees which is the vertebral 21

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which was an airway in water it was

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based on a

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rocket artillery system and that's

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basically just a rocket in a tube it's

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got a very small amount of solid fuel uh

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propellant in it which burns out after

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about two seconds

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and if you notice on the right-hand

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picture the the tube launching tubers is

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set at an angle so they had to actually

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calculate very precisely in mid-air how

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to fire it to detonate it at a certain

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distance they had to pre-set it no last

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it was quite involved they didn't

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operate these things at night they're

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only operated in the day from about the

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spring 1943 onwards and against the

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american bomber formations but they were

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very difficult to use they couldn't use

501
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them at night you can rule that out for

502
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they had a ground launch version of it

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as a decod flat rocket to try and um

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send up flares to try and mimic the

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targeting flares that the bombers were

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using to drop their bombs on targets uh

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by the pathfinder groups and this thing

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could get to about eight thousand feet

509
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it had two seconds of propellant it was

510
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a bet again based on this rocket

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artillery system and the the british

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intelligence thought this might be

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the cause behind some of the the um

514
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:13,590
the germans did experiment with missiles

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for various types so service to surface

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service to wear air-to-surface

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air-to-air

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this is one of the first ones it's

519
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called enzyme which is a type of flower

520
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it was built it was designed in 43 that

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started looking about them in 1944 but

522
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it didn't have enough um

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um liquid fueled rockets um you can only

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see the solid fuel rockets on on the

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side of the left hand pitcher there so

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they were testing them just using the

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auxiliary rockets

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and it was a complete failure that they

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did they couldn't get into work

530
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:43,600
uh

531
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everything about the missile just failed

532
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:48,000
and they they cancelled it

533
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so

534
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the breadth of the kind of geographical

535
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spread of these sightings these kind of

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missiles couldn't account for the

537
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sightings that happened because they

538
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:59,039
were already tested in certain areas in

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fact they already really tested it

540
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,880
in northern germany

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and that's nowhere near where a lot of

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00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:06,799
these other reports were seen that were

543
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i'm just going to run through these

544
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,960
quickly because there's one or two of

545
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them this is about a third of the size

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of a v2 it's called the faster waterfall

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00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:21,990
kind of

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00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:23,919
lines as a v2 missile

549
00:20:26,950 --> 00:20:25,679
again it was a bit of a failure they

550
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:26,960
couldn't get the guidance system right

551
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,640
they couldn't get the rocket motor right

552
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,720
and it never went into service

553
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,559
so it couldn't have been a again it was

554
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,480
only tested from peanut under so it

555
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couldn't have accounted for the reports

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british intelligence you'll see

557
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,760
reference to this in the reports

558
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,760
talking about these strange lights etc

559
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,080
and they firmly believed that this was

560
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,960
responsible this was a wire guided

561
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,440
service uh air service missile designed

562
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,760
to knock out ships it did go into

563
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:00,240
service it was limited it was successful

564
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,280
to a point that the um the allies

565
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,280
learned how to jam the radio signals

566
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,360
that went down the wires so they've

567
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,200
developed a television guided version of

568
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,280
it and this is the 1944 we're talking

569
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,200
about it's really really cutting-edge

570
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,919
technology but again it had the limited

571
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,760
capabilities it couldn't fly

572
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:19,600
horizontally it didn't have you know

573
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,919
much propellant propulsion it couldn't

574
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:23,120
have done anything like the food fight

575
00:21:30,149 --> 00:21:28,390
and one of the last ones i'll show is

576
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:30,159
from the title slide this is a rank

577
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,159
talker of right nathan again it's

578
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,400
another service to a missile there's a

579
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:35,679
two-stage one as you can see in the

580
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,640
left-hand photograph there um and they

581
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:39,919
they have problems with the guidance

582
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,559
system and the proximity if you use all

583
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,400
the rest of it and again it's a complete

584
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:46,480
failure and the whole project was canned

585
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:48,960
before they could get in the service

586
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,480
it's sort of a common theme with all the

587
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,559
missiles people think that the germans

588
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,400
had all these wonderful weapons that

589
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,240
were going to field if voting the war

590
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:58,080
had gone on for another week a couple of

591
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:00,480
weeks or a month or two but the reality

592
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,149
and they came up with an air-to-air

593
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:08,000
missile this is one of the world's first

594
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,080
edward missiles they will launch this

595
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:12,720
from fighters again wire guided same

596
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,400
problems as the hs293 a limited range

597
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,640
could be jammed all the rest of it and

598
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,159
they never got this into service the

599
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,640
factory building the the the rocket

600
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,799
motors was bombed so they had lots of

601
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,799
airframes but they had no nothing to

602
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,640
propel it with so it was a complete

603
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,080
failure

604
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,270
this is butterfly uh again similar

605
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,159
problems uh to proximity fuses and to

606
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:39,760
propulsion this was probably the one

607
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,000
that got nearest to be put to service

608
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:43,840
but it's too late the ward ended before

609
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:50,789
okay so

610
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,000
we've got missiles out the way

611
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,679
about the aircraft

612
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:58,080
people know the germans built rocket and

613
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,320
jet-powered aircraft it's a matter of

614
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,080
historical record you'll see

615
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,080
documentaries about these aircraft

616
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,679
you'll read booths about them

617
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,640
and

618
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:09,039
raf the air ministry so the british air

619
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,280
ministry came to the firm conclusion

620
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:13,120
that that particular aircraft was

621
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,640
responsible for all the food fighting

622
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:16,720
sightings including the american ones

623
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,669
and this was uh the day fighter version

624
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,840
of that particular aircraft

625
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,679
it had been fielded from about spring

626
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,360
1944 onwards

627
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,200
as a fighter but hitler wanted to be a

628
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,440
fighter bomber so the development was

629
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:35,679
retracted and on the first september

630
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:38,480
1944 the luftwaffe finally realized that

631
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,000
they needed a knight fighter version of

632
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,720
it to combat the the british bombers at

633
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:44,320
night so

634
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,840
rather than come up with a two-seater

635
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:47,120
version which would have been the most

636
00:23:50,789 --> 00:23:49,039
logical way of doing things they thought

637
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,799
they would strap an airborne radar onto

638
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:51,919
it would you say the aerials in the

639
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:54,799
front and fly at night unfortunately

640
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,799
these aircraft were really hard to fly

641
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:58,559
the engines had about the life of about

642
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,960
30 minutes 30 hours and then they they

643
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:02,880
just didn't work if you push the

644
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,960
throttles farther forward quick enough

645
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:07,039
they would catch fire

646
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,039
so they were really really difficult to

647
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,279
fly you put an airborne radar on it that

648
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:12,640
means the pilot's going to do much more

649
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,679
work

650
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,679
and they found even flying trying to fly

651
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:17,600
the thing in the daytime the pilot was

652
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:20,880
overworked he couldn't fly it in the day

653
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:22,000
and do everything that they were

654
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,200
demanding

655
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,679
so they went back to the drawing board

656
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,600
next time please and came up with a

657
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,960
two-seater version

658
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,240
that

659
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:32,159
but these never came in service until

660
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,960
march 1945 so you're looking well beyond

661
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,679
most of the food fighter reports

662
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,520
but the animals who thought these were

663
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,360
involved these will have culprit

664
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,600
but clearly the historical record shows

665
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,360
that they can't be and you can look at

666
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,880
the production figures you can look at

667
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,799
the operational log booths and all

668
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:50,320
arrested from the unit and actually flew

669
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,919
these things there was only one unit

670
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:54,000
flew them and had about 17 aircraft

671
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,440
involved

672
00:25:02,710 --> 00:24:57,760
and they're just too little too late

673
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,669
now

674
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,000
this was a really quick aircraft if

675
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,240
you're talking about speeds of things

676
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,480
being going very quickly then this could

677
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,120
have been a contender this little

678
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,720
propelled aircraft could nearly touch

679
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:16,320
the sound battery

680
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,520
um

681
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,679
there was evidence to suggest that it

682
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,279
nudged the stack of sandbar during a

683
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,919
test flight in about 1942

684
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,840
but they developed a combat version of

685
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:27,600
it and it was found by two different

686
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,240
fuels the tankers for each of the fuels

687
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,520
had to be kept on the other side in the

688
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,880
runway from the other side of the

689
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,400
airfield from each other because if they

690
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,640
touched each other they exploded

691
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,919
one of the fuels if you dipped your

692
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,840
finger in it your finger would start to

693
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,520
burn

694
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,440
and if the fuel leaked out to the

695
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:45,279
aircraft if it crashed

696
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,320
that that dissolving involved the pilot

697
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,480
it was incredibly dangerous they

698
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,080
actually lost more pilots to this

699
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,240
aircraft and crashes than they shot down

700
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,440
american bombers but this thing never

701
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,720
flew at night

702
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:00,080
because it was too dangerous to fly in

703
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,470
became the first of the world's first

704
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,880
jet bomber throughout the 234

705
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,200
it only started um flying operationally

706
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:13,520
until the 16th december 1944

707
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:14,720
in belgium

708
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,640
so it was a very limited area where they

709
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,559
flew these aircraft again they didn't

710
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,960
fly them at night so all these reports

711
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,320
from the americans saying that things

712
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:23,760
are following them

713
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:26,240
these jet aircraft do not fit the

714
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,710
and they came up with this thing

715
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,240
it was a crash program to come up with

716
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,799
an emergency jet fighter they designed

717
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:39,679
it and flew it within about nine weeks

718
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:42,960
and it was held together with wood glue

719
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,279
and on one of the test flights the glue

720
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,520
and the tail failed and the aircraft

721
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:49,600
crashed and killed the pilot but the

722
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,279
idea was that hitler youth would fly it

723
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,919
the people who flowed gliders could fly

724
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,520
straight into a jet fight and sit

725
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,679
straight into a jet fighter and fly it

726
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,440
that was the idea and then when they

727
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,880
started flying them they realized that i

728
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,799
was never gonna work and they only

729
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,640
started entering operational service in

730
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,240
april 945

731
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,679
and

732
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,520
nothing happened with them so you can

733
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:13,360
rule them out as well so really there's

734
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,520
a comic theme again here but all the jet

735
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:17,520
and rocket aircraft and the germans had

736
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:19,440
do not account for the food fighter

737
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,190
and here's a desperation move this was

738
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:27,840
rocket propelled it took off on a

739
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:30,399
vertical tower and the idea was that it

740
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,320
would climb at 36 000 feet a minute to

741
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,320
the level of the bombers and then you

742
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,320
can see these little air-to-air rockets

743
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,240
on the front of the nose it would launch

744
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,320
those and then the aircraft would break

745
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,320
into three parts all of which would

746
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,240
parachute back to earth including the

747
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,559
pilot for reuse

748
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,320
and they they actually have 10 set up on

749
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,640
ramps waiting for bombers but american

750
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,480
tanks got to the launch sites before

751
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:56,799
they can actually launch operationally

752
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,679
again british intelligence thought these

753
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:02,080
might have been to blame because if you

754
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:04,080
look at documents after the wall

755
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,760
you will see reference to this

756
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:07,360
particular aircraft

757
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,000
in connection with the so-called balls

758
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:12,320
of fire which is another term for foo

759
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,110
and here's just some pictures of um

760
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,120
this thing being put on there on the

761
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,120
launch tower and there's an unmanned

762
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:25,440
version going off it was only a one-man

763
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:26,399
launch

764
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,120
struck the pilot on the back of the head

765
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,279
and he lost consciousness and crashed

766
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,200
and died

767
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,520
so it's all all really crazy stuff last

768
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,440
minute last-ditch attempts to try and

769
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,279
shoot down bombers

770
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,880
and everybody thought yeah these are

771
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:44,640
things like food fighters but no they

772
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,230
so that was the wartime stuff what was

773
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,320
happening straight after the war because

774
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,919
you have to remember that both the

775
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,919
british and the americans were looking

776
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:57,679
through germany for anything they could

777
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,480
use

778
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,120
they were examining german industry

779
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,320
pharmaceuticals um tank design

780
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,120
aeronautical design research facilities

781
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,760
this report after report after report in

782
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:12,080
the archives from two different bodies

783
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,320
they're called bios and cybos the

784
00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:16,799
british intelligence

785
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:19,120
objectives subcommittee and there's also

786
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,919
one called the combined uh ios as well

787
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,840
the past one's an american group and

788
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,679
they're basically designed to go through

789
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:28,080
germany with a fine-tooth comb and get

790
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,600
anything they can exploit in terms of

791
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:34,310
so they look through

792
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,159
aircraft production facilities to try

793
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:38,320
and find something that would account

794
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,640
for fighters

795
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,559
so you're looking at places like this

796
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:44,240
that that's um an underground factory

797
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,679
that built the voxiager who saw a

798
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,840
picture of before there's about 52

799
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:49,919
aircraft there in various states of

800
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,600
construction

801
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,440
but the measurement 262 jet fighter

802
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,279
wasn't being built from factories

803
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,799
because their eyes had bombed the ball

804
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,159
who were being built out in the open in

805
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,919
forests

806
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,000
this is the kind of backwards steps that

807
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,360
the germans were having to do to try and

808
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:05,200
get things done in the last year of the

809
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,720
war

810
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,240
and they would use concentration camp

811
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:10,559
personnel to build

812
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,870
underground assembly line at hanson in

813
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,279
the hearts mountains germany again

814
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:23,600
concentration camp personnel use to

815
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,190
and i mentioned styles before so there's

816
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,840
a one just a page for one of

817
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:35,440
hundreds and hundreds of pages of

818
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,630
and you can see here's a blow up of what

819
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,240
the kind of detail there so they're

820
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:47,760
talking to pilots they're looking at um

821
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:50,240
at various facilities they've got get

822
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,440
what are called guests which are

823
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:52,559
basically people that brought back the

824
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:59,190
and then there's more reports here about

825
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,559
lusty which is

826
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:02,399
the operation to take captured german

827
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,799
aircraft across america for tests and

828
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,159
then there was other things there as

829
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,760
well so looking underground all those

830
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,919
factories but they never found anything

831
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,399
that prepared for the food fighters they

832
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,000
asked german

833
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,909
like this so here's 13 of the leading

834
00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:22,720
german aeronautical designers and

835
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,320
research people

836
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,840
that they captured

837
00:31:28,789 --> 00:31:27,200
and they all

838
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,799
actually quizzed them about the balls of

839
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:29,679
fire

840
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,360
and there was about 20 odd questions

841
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,360
saying you know what do you know what

842
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,960
this is do you

843
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,240
know where it was built you know how

844
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:38,159
they were used and all the answers came

845
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,200
about no

846
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,440
and by that time the award was no reason

847
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,039
for the germans to lie because they were

848
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,279
beaten they knew they were beaten and

849
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,960
there was no hope for them it was either

850
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,200
that cooperate with the allies or given

851
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,120
to them to the russians and nobody in

852
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:52,799
germany wanted to fall in the hands of

853
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:58,549
so

854
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,559
this is the last bit before the break

855
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,320
um

856
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,840
everybody's probably seen pictures of

857
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,159
foo fighters so

858
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:08,320
what's the fact of fiction between uh

859
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,190
this is quite a famous picture that pops

860
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,960
up every so often especially do internet

861
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,159
searches

862
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,919
and if you're going by the markings on

863
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,240
the tail of the penis triangle that's a

864
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,480
384th bob group they operate

865
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,519
during the war

866
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,679
next slide

867
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,519
that's the real picture

868
00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:31,600
because the one before has a fake

869
00:32:36,230 --> 00:32:34,000
and everywhere you go you will see faked

870
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:36,240
pictures of things that are supposed to

871
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,750
this is the most popular one that you'll

872
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,320
see on searches you'll see this in boots

873
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:45,919
uh everywhere else that you look at food

874
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,679
fighter information

875
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,760
and that i've even seen this this

876
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:51,760
picture labeled as german aircraft as

877
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:54,080
american aircraft as british aircraft

878
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,440
turns out it's a couple of

879
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:57,200
army corporation aircraft from the

880
00:33:03,830 --> 00:32:59,919
japanese um imperial army air force

881
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,840
they're takashi um kai 36 idols and they

882
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,679
basically operate in china

883
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,279
they didn't really operate much outside

884
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:09,600
there and they were obviously by by 1943

885
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,200
so you don't really see them later in

886
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,080
the war

887
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:14,000
there's no way they would kind of

888
00:33:17,750 --> 00:33:15,039
account for the through fighting

889
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,760
sightings um these pictures because

890
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,679
nobody knows what those were

891
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,279
the japanese had a shortage of raw

892
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,960
materials during the war including

893
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,799
things for their photographic uh

894
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,200
development processes which meant that

895
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,519
some of the pictures weren't as good as

896
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,440
ones that the allies or germans would do

897
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:32,720
because they didn't have the necessary

898
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,480
materials to get the proper pictures

899
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,480
done so you can often see things like

900
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,000
this which could be almost anything it

901
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:40,080
could be just a development problem or

902
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,200
um you know

903
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:43,360
you named it it's not necessarily what

904
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,399
people see

905
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,870
and here's another one

906
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,440
that's the california lily bomber and

907
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:52,880
there's this

908
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,200
blob following it well is it is it just

909
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,200
a defect in the film or the photograph

910
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:59,279
in the development process there's no

911
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,279
context there's no history you don't

912
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,679
know who took these pictures and there's

913
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,159
simply no information at all about them

914
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,399
so they're next to useless really in

915
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:10,480
terms of trying to work out what they

916
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,599
represent

917
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,760
you can make anything up about these and

918
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:15,919
you might be true might be false but

919
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,079
there are no pictures of the moment that

920
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,560
anybody knows of that actually show

921
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,879
something you go yeah that could well be

922
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:25,119
a true fighter

923
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,960
and the references in the in the

924
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,639
literature and in the reports the

925
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,879
pictures being taken those pictures are

926
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,240
never surfaced

927
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,200
so until they do there's nothing really

928
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:37,200
somebody can point to and say that's a

929
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,190
okay this is where we're getting to the

930
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,040
really strange stuff

931
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:49,919
um if you do searches for food fighters

932
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,359
on the internet or you've seen them in

933
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:53,679
books sooner or later you'll trip over

934
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,399
things like nasty flying saucers

935
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:58,560
i'm afraid it is a thing

936
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,359
so

937
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,160
next slide please

938
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:03,760
so we'll go into the myth and the facts

939
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,280
thing again that we did in round one

940
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,750
i can ask you what the hell that is on

941
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:13,920
the bottom of the flying saucer anybody

942
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,990
[Music]

943
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:27,920
that weighs about 12 tons

944
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,240
so what the hell we're doing mounting it

945
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,079
upside down on the flying saucer it

946
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,400
makes no sense whatsoever

947
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,960
and clearly that's a major photograph

948
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:39,040
so when you look at pictures of the

949
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,880
so-called flying discs that the germans

950
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:42,800
were supposed to have built during world

951
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,470
or this which is a vril six

952
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,079
there's a whole series of these things

953
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:53,839
supposedly and i'm gonna use that word

954
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,800
quite a lot here um supposedly built

955
00:36:00,390 --> 00:35:59,280
this one as early as 1940 and if you see

956
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,400
some of the things the germans were

957
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:02,800
actually flying in 1940 there's bear no

958
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,520
resemblance whatsoever and they all sort

959
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:07,040
of stem from

960
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:10,240
certain boots or certain people but

961
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,560
you can't find any actual evidence to

962
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,800
you know suggest they were ever built uh

963
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:16,560
they all just seemed to be in people's

964
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:21,829
and then you've got things like this

965
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:25,200
which appeared in the 1960s and this

966
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,440
sort of the the honeymoon

967
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,200
there's a whole series of the one the

968
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,000
two the three different designs uh the

969
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,920
first one's supposed to be prototypes

970
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,200
the second one was supposed to be

971
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,960
something a bit bigger and then the

972
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,480
third one i think was supposed to be

973
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,640
able to go to aldebaran which is a star

974
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:43,119
you know a lot of light years away it's

975
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:45,599
all kind of

976
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,200
i don't know

977
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:48,480
i'm struggling with the words it's

978
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,200
preposterous really but it stems from

979
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,280
books like the morning the magnifice the

980
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,280
magicians which was written by i think

981
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:57,839
the frenchman in the 1950s and it all

982
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,040
just stems from the certain places and

983
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,720
that's as far as you can trace all these

984
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,400
stories back to there's a lot of

985
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,280
neo-nazi groups in the 1960s and other

986
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:09,680
people who wanted to pick up the uh the

987
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:11,119
achievements done by the germans in

988
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,880
world war ii so of course these were

989
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,440
convenient things to sort like you know

990
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,200
stick the hat off and say oh yeah the

991
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:19,440
germans built all these things but all

992
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,160
it ever meant to is just plans and dodgy

993
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,839
photographs but there's no actual

994
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,520
evidence we can't find records of

995
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:27,680
anything uh you know to back up these

996
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,150
here's a sort of a mock-up then again

997
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,079
you see this appears in a lot of

998
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,400
internet searches um but if you just

999
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,400
look at it from a story's point of view

1000
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,320
so you've got an open blitz truck there

1001
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:44,480
on the left then you've got what looks

1002
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:47,119
like a tractor and then underneath at

1003
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,880
the back there but behind the flying

1004
00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:51,119
saucer is that the stomach issues three

1005
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,640
which is an assault gun

1006
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,119
and then there's also a panzer iv uh

1007
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:57,440
tank on the right hand side now what the

1008
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,000
hell was an assault gun in an attempt to

1009
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:02,079
doing on an airfield next to a flying

1010
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,000
saucer so it makes no sense whatsoever

1011
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,839
and again this is probably either a

1012
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,480
doctor photograph or something mocked up

1013
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,480
to try and you know sort of

1014
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:14,160
suggest that something exists where it

1015
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,400
clearly didn't but there's a whole

1016
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,440
cottage industry has grown up for

1017
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,680
various authors a guy called henry

1018
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,680
stevens has wrote a series of books

1019
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,560
about supposed flying sources built by

1020
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,160
the nazi germany during the war there's

1021
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,839
other people as well who have left on

1022
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:31,680
this bandwagon because there's enough

1023
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,560
people who believe it and will buy books

1024
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:37,119
to propagate this myth

1025
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,119
please

1026
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:44,390
i'll just pause on this picture for a

1027
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,520
second you're looking at the sak as6

1028
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,520
it was a one-off design built by a

1029
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,599
farmer who'd like to experiment with

1030
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,040
model aircraft

1031
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,720
before the war and he had the idea of

1032
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,480
building an aircraft with a circular

1033
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,920
wing

1034
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,760
he couldn't find any sponsors but you

1035
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,280
did actually have a sympathetic year in

1036
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,119
the form of a lookout for general you're

1037
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,040
getting some money and said yeah go on

1038
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:07,680
you build it you build your dream and as

1039
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,960
far as 1944 you came up with this thing

1040
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,280
and it managed to hop off the runway and

1041
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:15,760
that's all it did it was then basically

1042
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,750
so again the reality of the german

1043
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,119
flying discs

1044
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,240
you have

1045
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,640
um there's an italian he was recalling

1046
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,079
he was he called himself a professor it

1047
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,440
was called

1048
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:33,119
and in 1950

1049
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:34,000
he

1050
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,160
um talked to some newspaper or a

1051
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,480
particular newspaper in in italy

1052
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,079
suggesting that he'd come up with a

1053
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,160
design for flying disc during world war

1054
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,560
ii but the germans had taken the plans

1055
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,359
and they developed it for their own ends

1056
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,359
and then this newspaper article a couple

1057
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,960
of days later it was translated into

1058
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,839
german

1059
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:53,839
as a lot of stories were in various

1060
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:56,720
countries newspapers in newspapers

1061
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,280
and this guy called rudolph schreiber

1062
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,960
popped up out of the woodwork never

1063
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,119
being known beforehand he's you know he

1064
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,599
just came out of nowhere and he said to

1065
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,480
a german newspaper that he built this

1066
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,520
flute prize or the spain top flight top

1067
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:12,800
sorry

1068
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,520
in english um and that's

1069
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,520
and depend on which article because he

1070
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,280
had a number of articles published in

1071
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:21,839
various german newspapers and magazines

1072
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,160
one including a german women's magazine

1073
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,160
like women's weekly kind of thing you

1074
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:28,000
probably heard that title a kind of

1075
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,440
thing like that

1076
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,960
trying to um

1077
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,240
sort of persuade people that you've

1078
00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:34,079
built the or designed one of these

1079
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,319
things and that it was only the

1080
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,079
americans should be taking him on board

1081
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,000
and take them to america so you can work

1082
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,599
on designs because obviously at that

1083
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,760
time the americans were snapping up

1084
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,000
various people to work on their rocket

1085
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,319
program and their aircraft programs but

1086
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:50,480
he for some reason well

1087
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,920
yeah you can guess the reason because he

1088
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,680
actually didn't do this it was just like

1089
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:55,760
coming out of his head if he had been as

1090
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:58,319
good as he said he was the americans

1091
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,400
would have definitely snapped him up

1092
00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:01,760
because this would have been radical

1093
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:04,839
technology for 1945

1094
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,640
but what he did was he drove trucks for

1095
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,960
the job for the us army in the american

1096
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:12,640
zone of occupation he delivered

1097
00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:15,440
newspapers that's what he did in real

1098
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:16,640
life

1099
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,800
but he tried to persuade people that he

1100
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,880
was available for people to throw money

1101
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,359
in and develop this idea and then he'd

1102
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,040
build it during the war and then

1103
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,200
depending on which story you made it was

1104
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,960
either the russians have taken the plans

1105
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,240
because they had to fly

1106
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:32,000
fled actually prague at the end of the

1107
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,760
war where these things were supposedly

1108
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,880
being built

1109
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,800
or in another story he said the plans

1110
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:38,800
had been stolen from a farmhouse which

1111
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,119
he was using as a workshop so the story

1112
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:43,599
keeps changing and you just

1113
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,069
another person who popped out of the

1114
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,960
woodwork is richard mitha or heinrich

1115
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:55,040
richard depending on which souls you

1116
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:55,839
read

1117
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,359
and in 1952 he gave a interview to a

1118
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,520
french newspaper called francois

1119
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,359
and he said that during the war he

1120
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,920
developed this particular design another

1121
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:07,119
flying disc

1122
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,240
and he reckoned or he said that he was a

1123
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,480
former v2 rocket engineer

1124
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,560
and that he was working in somewhere

1125
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,720
called breslau which is now in poland i

1126
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,240
can't even pronounce the polish name for

1127
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,720
the place uh but that

1128
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,920
one of these things was actually

1129
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:23,920
designed and built there during the last

1130
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,790
and he's his name is actually linked

1131
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,119
with this chap called george cline

1132
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,000
who said he was an inspector for uh

1133
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,800
albert shaffer's uh ministry of armies

1134
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,040
so he was a weapons inspector and he

1135
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,359
reckoned that he had been privy to a

1136
00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:46,079
test flight of a german flying disc on

1137
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,280
in february 1945 but he also talks about

1138
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:51,839
metha in various newspaper articles such

1139
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:53,040
as this one

1140
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,560
which appeared in 1953 but also in other

1141
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:58,000
um

1142
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,000
other newspaper reports as well he

1143
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,440
talked about mitha flying out of um

1144
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,400
out of breslau right at the end of

1145
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,359
either april or early may 1945 shortly

1146
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,800
before the end of the war because

1147
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,480
breslau was a city that was surrounded

1148
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,800
by the russians since february 1945 it

1149
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,319
was a siege

1150
00:43:19,829 --> 00:43:17,839
uh and that's where he was supposed to

1151
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:19,839
be developing this flying disc but it

1152
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,359
flowed out of there

1153
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,839
like to escape but he'd flown in a

1154
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,720
measurement 163 comet which he saw that

1155
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,200
rocket propelled aircraft before before

1156
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,359
the break and showed a picture of it

1157
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:32,880
and that aircraft was really dangerous

1158
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,000
to fly but mitha wasn't a pilot so how

1159
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,079
did he fly a rocket propelled aircraft

1160
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,680
he didn't have a pilot that came in to

1161
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:42,640
pick him up because the enemy 163 was in

1162
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,480
a range of about 70 miles and because

1163
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,400
the fuels it had it was only ever based

1164
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,160
on one airfield near leipzig it was

1165
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,800
nowhere near breslau and there was a

1166
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,560
trailer version of it two-seater but it

1167
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,760
didn't have an engine in it because

1168
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,440
there was no room to put it and then

1169
00:44:03,510 --> 00:43:59,920
have the second instructor so it was a

1170
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,520
glider so how could he fly out of there

1171
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:05,280
the story just didn't make any sense

1172
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,560
whatsoever

1173
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:09,599
and client has actually is the subject

1174
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:12,319
of a cia document which some people have

1175
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,520
said is proof of german flying sources

1176
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,640
but unfortunately it's a translation of

1177
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,480
a newspaper report in a different

1178
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,520
language the cia should do this because

1179
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,200
they used to think that anything that

1180
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:27,040
was of defense significance

1181
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,480
possibilities that the russians were

1182
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,480
developing stuff they would have these

1183
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,319
newspaper reports in german or french or

1184
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,599
whatever

1185
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,880
translated

1186
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:37,200
so that the american intelligence people

1187
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,800
could read them and it was passed on to

1188
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,800
various agencies it actually if you look

1189
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,079
hard enough on the internet you'll see

1190
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,680
this document and you'll see that it

1191
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,760
goes past the likes of the fbi and to

1192
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:48,319
various other agencies and and people

1193
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,839
say oh that's proof that the germans

1194
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,000
headlines discs no it's not it's a

1195
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,880
translation of klein's interview to a

1196
00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:57,200
journalist that's all it is

1197
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,730
next slide

1198
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,240
[Music]

1199
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,359
in fact what time did this is the only

1200
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,440
concrete proof we have of anything he

1201
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,760
did and to do with any kind of weapons

1202
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,319
development because there was no proof

1203
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,079
or evidence of him ever working for the

1204
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:13,680
military violence

1205
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:14,480
he

1206
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:25,040
and that's that's his own defense toy

1207
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:32,790
and in terms of the so-called test

1208
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:36,000
flight in in february 1945 client said

1209
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,119
that it took off

1210
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:38,960
in a place called carla which is in

1211
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,240
florentia in in germany now the reality

1212
00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:43,760
of this place

1213
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,920
is an underground construction facility

1214
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:47,359
for jet fighters

1215
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,240
and the aerial picture on the right

1216
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:52,240
in fact you can see this long line on

1217
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,920
the bottom towards the middle bottom

1218
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,599
right there bottom right in the picture

1219
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:57,520
and that's actually a runway on the top

1220
00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:00,319
of the hill what they did was it's 1100

1221
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,359
foot

1222
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,680
hill they leveled the top of it to build

1223
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,800
a runway

1224
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,880
and the line you can see that connects

1225
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:08,960
it to the top part of the picture is an

1226
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,119
elevator of the side of the hill so they

1227
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:13,680
built the aircraft underground brought

1228
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,079
them out and put them on an elevator up

1229
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,079
the top of the hill strapped rocket

1230
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,079
assisted takeoff units to the aircraft

1231
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,680
and flew them out this incredibly short

1232
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,200
runway

1233
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,520
but that's the only reality they never

1234
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,200
built anything else there there is

1235
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,079
documents that show what the allies

1236
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,240
found there there are pictures that show

1237
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,760
what they found there

1238
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:35,520
no flying discs

1239
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,640
you cannot find any evidence to the

1240
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,640
germans ever build anything like that

1241
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,480
it'd be great if you could find a

1242
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,640
requisition for materials or for

1243
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,200
personnel or for testing facilities you

1244
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,280
know anything like that but there is

1245
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,560
nothing at all just newspaper reports

1246
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,520
from the 1950s where certain people say

1247
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:57,599
i designed this and that's all there is

1248
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,309
in fact the last six months of the war

1249
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,200
sort of thing in the last year maybe

1250
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,960
german secret weapon development went

1251
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,440
backwards it didn't go forwards they

1252
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:13,599
weren't developing new stuff that was

1253
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,000
really revolutionary anything like that

1254
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,480
was on paper the actual reality of this

1255
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,599
information was they were going

1256
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:21,359
backwards so here's just a few things

1257
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:22,559
i'm just going to briefly go through

1258
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,440
these

1259
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,359
the the aircraft you can see there on

1260
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,520
the top right the top left and bottom

1261
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:29,599
right they're using plus jets like the

1262
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,079
v1 flying bomb and i mentioned about the

1263
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,640
limitations of the of the pulse jet you

1264
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:36,160
can't take off with one because it

1265
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,079
doesn't deliver enough power it has to

1266
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,880
be um augmented by um some kind of

1267
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,480
rocket or something to get it off a

1268
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,800
runway and yet the germans were building

1269
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,760
a designing emergency aircraft just

1270
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,760
fitted with pearl projects

1271
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:51,599
they didn't work and they never were

1272
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,720
built they came up with obama so a

1273
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,400
rocket propelled a ramming aircraft

1274
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:58,800
which was designed to slice through the

1275
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:00,880
tail of an american bomber

1276
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,200
again that's not very sophisticated it's

1277
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,760
a blunt force weapon it's not a flying

1278
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,760
disc you know it's not something like

1279
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,599
that and then you can see the weapon

1280
00:48:13,349 --> 00:48:11,280
there that's actually a copy of it with

1281
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,359
a british spanish submachine gun but the

1282
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,800
partners they give to the french

1283
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,920
resistance

1284
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:17,760
the germans copied them and then they

1285
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,599
were going to give those to the german

1286
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,920
equivalent of the home guard of oxford

1287
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,680
and they built thousands of them but

1288
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,280
that wasn't sophisticated it was made of

1289
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:27,359
stamp metal and it jammed the same way

1290
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,839
as ascended so they were going backwards

1291
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,119
and there's other examples as well which

1292
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,440
had put here but the germans were going

1293
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,280
backwards they were not building flying

1294
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,240
discs so people who say they are okay

1295
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,839
that's great but if you ask them for

1296
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,240
proof they can't give you it

1297
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,030
so just to summarize um i'll talk a lot

1298
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,280
of the stuff that i haven't covered is

1299
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,720
in the bootcumber phrase because it

1300
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:54,640
would take too long to go through there

1301
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,760
is case after case after case of bomber

1302
00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:59,920
crews and night fighter crews seeing

1303
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,400
things that they simply can't understand

1304
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,000
and then you have

1305
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,000
when they're taken forward to senior

1306
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,960
authority that they sort of you know

1307
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,720
have no idea what they're looking at and

1308
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,319
there's kind of a paper chase involved

1309
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,839
with documents going

1310
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,240
to and fro about what these things are

1311
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,000
but in the end they get nowhere because

1312
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,599
they simply don't know where they are

1313
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,839
and there was some investigation after

1314
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,800
the war which i showed you some

1315
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,480
documents about before there's actually

1316
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,920
more than that as well

1317
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,920
um but it basically amounts to the fact

1318
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:29,680
that they still didn't know what was

1319
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,400
happening

1320
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:31,839
and then of course the war and it

1321
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:33,359
already ended and a few months

1322
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,800
afterwards they dropped the whole thing

1323
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,800
because they weren't getting anywhere

1324
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,640
and time was moving on

1325
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,599
so

1326
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,760
but unfortunately the the myth that i

1327
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,119
mentioned by the food fighters being

1328
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,200
this localized phenomenon over the

1329
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:47,359
winter of 4445

1330
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,559
well that's wrong because the

1331
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:51,200
geographical spread and the time scale

1332
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,880
the time spells much earlier so it goes

1333
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,800
back to 1942 at least and the

1334
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,200
geographical spread if you look at the

1335
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,559
information that i've got in the book

1336
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,240
about the three fighters you're looking

1337
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,960
at cases from the north cape in norway

1338
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,960
right down to north africa the bay

1339
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,880
biscay right across the eastern front in

1340
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:07,920
russia

1341
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,720
they're all over the place

1342
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,960
there's no german origin for these

1343
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,119
lights or crafts the the allies were

1344
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,640
fairly thorough during the war the

1345
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:18,720
russians did their own searches of the

1346
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,040
east of the eastern zone of occupation

1347
00:50:25,829 --> 00:50:23,359
nobody found anything that they could

1348
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,839
you know they pointed to whatever these

1349
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,880
things were

1350
00:50:31,109 --> 00:50:28,480
and as i've just gone through here there

1351
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,119
is no evidence that the germans built

1352
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:33,760
flying discs despite what some people

1353
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,839
will have you believe there's a fairly

1354
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,839
um as a guy who actually i'm not going

1355
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:39,359
to mention 96 i think this has been

1356
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,599
recorded but um there's a guy who was um

1357
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,359
he's connected with

1358
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,040
somebody who's

1359
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,640
to do with the release of those three

1360
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,880
videos back in 2017

1361
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,200
and this chap

1362
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,599
who was related to one of them

1363
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,000
he contacted me after this book was

1364
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,520
published the free fighter book was

1365
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,359
published and he said randall you don't

1366
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,040
know what you're talking about

1367
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:04,880
so my default usually when people say

1368
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,800
things like that and he wasn't very kind

1369
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,640
in the way you wrote the wrote the email

1370
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,000
and i said well that's fine it's your

1371
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,240
opinion give me some proof

1372
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,200
he sent me as a reply some pictures like

1373
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:17,839
we saw before those faked flying saucer

1374
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:18,880
pictures

1375
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:20,800
and that was his proof

1376
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:22,720
so you know you just think well okay

1377
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:24,319
because that's the best you can do i'm

1378
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,599
sorry but you you're definitely not

1379
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,079
convincing me so there's no evidence for

1380
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,400
nazi flying discs

1381
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:35,510
and there's a just the front cover of

1382
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,720
the book i wrote um last year so it's uh

1383
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:40,720
the the cover is designed by dan

1384
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,839
zetterstrom and um who's a swede

1385
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,040
and it depicts the march 1942 encounter

1386
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:49,599
from the polish wellington and whatever

1387
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,040
behind them it's 554 pages it's pictures

1388
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,680
in there it's a basically just a lot of

1389
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,240
explanation about the cases

1390
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,559
and the explanations at the time

1391
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:01,520
and

1392
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:06,079
just so much information about this

1393
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,599
particular subject much more than i

1394
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,960
could do in an hour and a half

1395
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:10,240
presentation

1396
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,200
and

1397
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,839
i managed to um get the attracted

1398
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,920
attention of sean cahill who some of you

1399
00:52:19,829 --> 00:52:17,440
might know was one of the witnesses to a

1400
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,839
2004 nimitz encounter he was based on

1401
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,480
uss princeton and he was um he was a

1402
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:23,760
master

1403
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,960
cop on the boat

1404
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,640
um and he

1405
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,160
witnessed what he thought was one of

1406
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:31,760
these tic tacs there were very strange

1407
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,680
lights flying around in the distance he

1408
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,359
wasn't one of the pilots but he is one

1409
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:37,920
of the witnesses so he wrote forward and

1410
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,960
he actually has a family connection with

1411
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,119
the free fighters which nobody knew

1412
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:46,319
about until he wrote before to this book

1413
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:58,950
any questions yes

1414
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,309
three questions would you be able to

1415
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:02,160
address quite quickly anything okay

1416
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,280
number one

1417
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,119
what did germany have to say about food

1418
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,400
fighters afterwards secondly

1419
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:10,720
did it stop afterwards did it go on if

1420
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,990
okay so the three questions what the

1421
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:20,480
germans do um say after the war

1422
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,359
yeah

1423
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:23,440
what about the blocker or the bell which

1424
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:25,359
is the third one forgot the second one

1425
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,670
okay so

1426
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,839
the germans were asked about it i showed

1427
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:34,960
you the

1428
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,760
13 specialists who were asked

1429
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,599
none of them had any knowledge and other

1430
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:41,040
people who were interviewed had no

1431
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,800
knowledge whatsoever they interviewed

1432
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,000
people who were in charge of flat

1433
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,000
defenses and if this had been some kind

1434
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,839
of anti-air weapon then they would have

1435
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:50,480
known about it but nobody did

1436
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,200
in terms of did sightings stop after the

1437
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,800
war yes they did they dropped off a

1438
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,599
cliff

1439
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,520
but you have to remember that tens of

1440
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,880
thousands of people were flying around

1441
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:00,480
the skies of europe

1442
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:02,000
therefore they were very highly trained

1443
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,680
personnel as well

1444
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,520
so people were looking out for things

1445
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,119
because that was part of their job you

1446
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:09,280
look out for stuff you're very observant

1447
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,160
you report things so naturally they were

1448
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,520
going to see things and report them

1449
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:14,880
during the war and then when the

1450
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,800
fighting stopped there was there wasn't

1451
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,040
a need to see things anymore to look are

1452
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,760
there any reports from germany

1453
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,000
yeah i'll get it i'll just i'll just do

1454
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,599
the third one before i move on another

1455
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,400
one

1456
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,160
so in terms of the bell

1457
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,000
okay you've all heard about the bell and

1458
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,480
no doubt the supposedly anti-gravity

1459
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:34,480
machine that was in some underground

1460
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:36,839
facilities called the hinge in in

1461
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:40,160
silesia it's probably a water tower

1462
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,599
the the story as i recall it comes from

1463
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,760
one jacob sparrenberg

1464
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,920
who was an intelligent who was an ss

1465
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,760
high police leader

1466
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,920
uh supposedly based in poland who'd been

1467
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:53,839
interviewed by polish intelligence

1468
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:55,200
officers about europe for the end of the

1469
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,640
war

1470
00:55:02,870 --> 00:54:59,520
unfortunately for the story he was sent

1471
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:02,880
to norway because he was discredited

1472
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:06,480
in towards the end of 1944 i believe um

1473
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,680
i mean i don't like about this in the

1474
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,799
group because i don't necessarily

1475
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,880
believe this the whole story but he was

1476
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:13,520
in norway for when most of the supposed

1477
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:14,559
research

1478
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,160
and development of this thing was

1479
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,920
supposed to have done so how did he know

1480
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:19,599
about it because he wasn't even in the

1481
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,880
country he was considered non-grata he

1482
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,280
was sent to a backwater of the war so

1483
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,599
it's very strange it's almost a case of

1484
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:29,520
did he tell a story to try and get the

1485
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,960
poles interested

1486
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,040
in something that was happening because

1487
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,960
really there's no evidence that anything

1488
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:36,799
was built in the those

1489
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,960
in those underground facilities

1490
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,680
beyond a standard ominous factory they

1491
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,760
were building those all over germany for

1492
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:44,880
various things because you have to

1493
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,440
remember that the allies the british by

1494
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,280
night and brought in americans by day

1495
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:51,359
were flattening german industry they

1496
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,640
couldn't build things in the normal

1497
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:54,240
places they were building them you know

1498
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,520
both servers so they were building

1499
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,920
underground facilities to build tanks to

1500
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,400
build rockets to build aircraft doesn't

1501
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:02,480
mean say anything really sort of exotic

1502
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,200
was being built and there's no real

1503
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:07,680
evidence beyond what ego fatowski

1504
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,680
actually writes in these books and he

1505
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,760
wrote some books about the german secret

1506
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:14,160
weapons before he ever got interested in

1507
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:15,200
the bell

1508
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:18,000
and some of those books don't make sense

1509
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,960
so

1510
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,880
i can't say it's lying i can't say

1511
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,040
there's no truth to it but for what i

1512
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:24,559
read

1513
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,319
i'm very very dubious by law

1514
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:31,040
so okay

1515
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,319
yeah because there was a crash in

1516
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:34,160
america wasn't that the ufo which is

1517
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:36,079
supposed to resemble that with the

1518
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,000
hieroglyphic markings on it which was

1519
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,920
carded off by the americans well that's

1520
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:42,720
that's the roswell story

1521
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,230
day of the land

1522
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:59,839
so that's a good question actually sorry

1523
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:01,280
i'll go back to the question before i

1524
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:02,720
answer that one john i'll just go back

1525
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,119
to the last one did the germans see them

1526
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,960
well if i had to quit for every time

1527
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,480
somebody said well the germans saw them

1528
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,000
too i'd be rich i wouldn't be sitting

1529
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:12,640
here be somewhere in south france

1530
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,440
um you know having a nice retirement

1531
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:17,040
yes and no

1532
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:18,559
there are no

1533
00:57:22,630 --> 00:57:20,880
official reports like no further reports

1534
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,640
mission logs all that kind of thing some

1535
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,160
of the records were lost but the ones

1536
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,480
that do exist as far as we're away

1537
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,400
and people who have looked at them don't

1538
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,240
exist in terms of food fight reports

1539
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,319
that's not to say that there aren't any

1540
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,920
because there are

1541
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,000
half a dozen or so and they're including

1542
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:38,240
the book so there are some

1543
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,960
but

1544
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,480
nowhere near on the scale of like the

1545
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,559
americans and the brits

1546
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,640
um right

1547
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,920
can you ask me a question again because

1548
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:47,200
on my short term

1549
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,799
is there any record of the

1550
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:51,760
medal andy yeah thank you there is a

1551
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:52,839
report from

1552
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,440
france so french people who wouldn't

1553
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,200
report at the time because the last

1554
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,280
thing you would do as a french person in

1555
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:01,839
occupied europe would say oh hello mr

1556
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,760
german i saw something really strange

1557
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,000
flying around yeah you'd get carted off

1558
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,079
to a prison camp wouldn't you so but

1559
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,520
there are stories that came out after

1560
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:12,000
the war of people telling french ufo

1561
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:14,000
authors about things like that happening

1562
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,119
and there's one that's supposed to be

1563
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,520
either very close to the ground or on

1564
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,760
the ground and there is a story from

1565
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,880
poland of a chap who came across one

1566
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,720
half buried in a sand dune

1567
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:26,720
with a pirate

1568
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,630
but the full stories again sorry keep

1569
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:34,079
repeating myself here full stories of

1570
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:35,920
the book but yes there are there are

1571
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:37,680
some stories along those lines what's

1572
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:40,240
all the size um where they're being

1573
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:41,760
reported

1574
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:43,040
okay so if you're talking about lights

1575
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:44,799
you can't tell what size they are you've

1576
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,160
got no frame of reference you don't know

1577
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,000
what distances they're doing what size

1578
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:50,160
is so you can't tell one from the other

1579
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:51,280
if you don't know the size you can't

1580
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,799
tell different the distance you don't

1581
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:55,040
know distance you can't tell the size

1582
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,200
so there's nothing like that

1583
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,520
the there was a torpedo-shaped object

1584
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,680
seen in northern italy in november 942

1585
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:03,920
by a bomber crew who were attacking an

1586
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,480
engine uh factory in turin in northern

1587
00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,480
italy and they were flying over the alps

1588
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:10,559
and this what they thought was a 200 to

1589
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:13,599
300 foot torpedo shed object they saw it

1590
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:15,680
twice during the same raid the second

1591
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:18,079
time it was flying up a mountain valley

1592
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,319
and they measured it presumably by

1593
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,000
reference to the to the mountains or the

1594
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,680
peaks that'll be how they would measure

1595
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,400
that but a lot of the time they're just

1596
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,480
lights and therefore you can't tell what

1597
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,040
the size of the world is at

1598
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:33,200
i was going to say as night is

1599
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:35,599
at the moment or over the last few years

1600
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,240
a lot of people have seen oats

1601
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:39,920
except white talks

1602
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:42,640
would they be could they be who knows

1603
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:43,839
you know it's very similar because

1604
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,750
[Music]

1605
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:53,359
and i wouldn't stand here and say

1606
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,640
they're the same things that were being

1607
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:56,960
seen in world war ii because

1608
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:59,359
i can't even explain what was singing in

1609
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,640
world war ii i can tell you what wasn't

1610
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,559
with a fair degree of sort of like you

1611
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,119
know sort of accuracy but beyond what it

1612
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:09,119
was no i'm sorry

1613
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,880
i'm not that kind of person i won't make

1614
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:12,400
up stuff or i won't come up with any

1615
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,230
anybody else

1616
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,799
yeah in the um

1617
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:22,960
obviously your book covers this period

1618
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,079
of time in history

1619
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,559
obviously as time goes on intelligence

1620
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,200
reports are declassified here

1621
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,520
um are there any kind is there any

1622
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,280
evidence that

1623
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:36,480
um

1624
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,280
the intelligence agencies

1625
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,760
from obviously the wall and up to the

1626
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,040
present day

1627
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,280
are covering up you know what i mean

1628
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:46,720
what this

1629
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,640
phenomenon was

1630
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:50,640
we know we know there's black project

1631
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,839
yeah um you know secret programs for

1632
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,160
different you know things like that but

1633
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:57,920
is there any evidence that

1634
01:01:02,309 --> 01:01:00,400
you know the authorities

1635
01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:02,319
of the time

1636
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,520
knew

1637
01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,799
what it was but

1638
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,319
it's hard to cover up the time there

1639
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,079
isn't because you can find

1640
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:10,559
all the relevant documents where i'll

1641
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,920
take a point um

1642
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,280
when i talk about originally about the

1643
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:14,960
first magazine article came out in

1644
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,440
december 1945. that was based on an

1645
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:19,200
intelligence report that was

1646
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:22,400
drafted by one squadron's intelligence

1647
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:23,760
officer

1648
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,640
going back to november the previous year

1649
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:29,440
and there was 14 different uh events on

1650
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,880
it and it was passed up the chain of

1651
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,960
command and it came back down the chain

1652
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,079
of command because everybody didn't know

1653
01:01:38,069 --> 01:01:36,400
what was going on they in fact one of

1654
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,079
the questions if you see this document

1655
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:39,839
without a quote in the book

1656
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:41,920
the one of the intelligent sources from

1657
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,079
the wing which is like the the command

1658
01:01:48,390 --> 01:01:46,400
level above said well which part of the

1659
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:48,400
aircraft were the lights attached to

1660
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,359
which means there's a lack of

1661
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,960
understanding because they were just

1662
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:52,880
reporting lights they weren't reporting

1663
01:01:56,710 --> 01:01:55,039
anything like an aircraft or a craft or

1664
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:56,720
anything an object that these lights

1665
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:59,119
were fixed to it was just a light so

1666
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,480
there was a lack of knowledge there's a

1667
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:02,799
lack of understanding and that just goes

1668
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:05,520
back and forwards so there's no cover-up

1669
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,799
it's basically just they don't know

1670
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:09,520
what's happening at all and you see that

1671
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,760
all the time you see that with the raf

1672
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,520
as well they're basically scratching

1673
01:02:16,630 --> 01:02:14,640
their heads

1674
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:16,640
throughout the war to try and explain

1675
01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:19,359
stuff that they can't explain

1676
01:02:23,430 --> 01:02:21,520
and there are accounts of these things

1677
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:23,440
being fired up not just the stories are

1678
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:25,680
told tonight but there are other stories

1679
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,920
of gunners opening fire on these things

1680
01:02:32,630 --> 01:02:30,240
and nothing happens all these stories

1681
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,640
are documented all all the things that

1682
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,400
you mentioned there about um you know

1683
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,200
intelligent documents you can find them

1684
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,880
they're not hidden away they're actually

1685
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,920
in the record you just have to know

1686
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:41,119
where to look

1687
01:02:43,750 --> 01:02:42,079
so

1688
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,760
can i say that they're not all hidden

1689
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,119
away well obviously i can't because you

1690
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,440
can't prove a negative but

1691
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,520
the stuff that's there basically tells

1692
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,319
the story that they they had this

1693
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,480
information people were reporting it it

1694
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:56,880
went up the chain of command for people

1695
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:58,160
more suited than the people on the

1696
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,319
ground to work out what was going on and

1697
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,160
they stood behind the clue either so

1698
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,720
yeah nothing happened just just a

1699
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,880
complete absence of information and

1700
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,480
therefore an absence of you know any

1701
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:11,359
idea of what these were

1702
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:12,319
sorry

1703
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:13,280
see

1704
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:30,470
um from this time period and the best

1705
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:33,839
sphere for my 72 is around a metallic

1706
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,069
no it's i guess you know if you if you

1707
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:43,920
work hard for things you can draw

1708
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,680
parallels between things happening now

1709
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,440
like the the orbs

1710
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,960
and things back then

1711
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:50,720
there could be but equally it might not

1712
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,440
be

1713
01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,240
so it's hard now looking at things which

1714
01:03:58,710 --> 01:03:56,319
are getting over 80 years ago to try and

1715
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:58,720
work out where there are parallels and

1716
01:04:03,029 --> 01:04:00,640
if people want to do that that's fine

1717
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,039
but you can only look at the information

1718
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:04,960
back then and say look there's something

1719
01:04:08,309 --> 01:04:06,000
going on

1720
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,319
they couldn't explain it we can rule out

1721
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,400
certain things but after you get to a

1722
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:12,000
point where you just have to hold your

1723
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,520
hands up and say

1724
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:15,200
i don't know what's happening

1725
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:17,280
and i do that in the book so if anybody

1726
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,319
thinks i'm going to give them the

1727
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:20,079
answers and i'm going to unlock the

1728
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:21,359
secrets of what happened during world

1729
01:04:25,109 --> 01:04:23,039
war ii i'm afraid you're going to be

1730
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,119
disappointed but you will at least get

1731
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,880
enough information that when you start

1732
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:28,640
reading stuff in the future where people

1733
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:30,079
say oh they were just german super

1734
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,079
weapons or all the germans built all

1735
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,000
these wonderful flying discs or i was

1736
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:36,480
just a missile well i'm afraid it wasn't

1737
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,000
it was something else but what that

1738
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:39,599
something else was

1739
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:42,160
that's still open to debate

1740
01:05:03,670 --> 01:04:43,520
all right

1741
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:05,670
if anybody from the defense intelligence

1742
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:31,190
uh

1743
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:33,270
they saw things that probably were food

1744
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:35,119
fighters it certainly approximated the

1745
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,559
same kind of thing so you're talking

1746
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,640
about lights but also sometimes

1747
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,559
structured craft some things that were

1748
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:43,520
rectangular in shape flying around so

1749
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,839
there's a whole load of mystery things

1750
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,440
that people reported during the korean

1751
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,200
conflict as well

1752
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:51,119
so yes

1753
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:52,720
do you think it's the explosions that

1754
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:57,589
it's certainly one theory but then again

1755
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:59,680
why wouldn't other conflicts but then

1756
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:01,280
again also the stories to say that other

1757
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:02,839
conflicts have drawn them

1758
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,880
so it sounds plausible but you can't

1759
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,799
really test it because people sit by

1760
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:10,799
side conflict zones as well

1761
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:11,520
so

1762
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,119
they're trying to test it at skinwalker

1763
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:15,119
ranch but you can't get the permission

1764
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:17,410
to drop

1765
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,950
well certainly one one school of thought

1766
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,799
was that you know the things in 47

1767
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,559
started because the americans were

1768
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:33,039
filling latin bonds but clearly the

1769
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:36,079
phenomenon started well before that but

1770
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:38,000
they they just go fusioned in there was

1771
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,280
1938

1772
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,920
um and the manhattan project or what was

1773
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:44,160
actually called manhattan project before

1774
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,440
it was called the manhattan project

1775
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:47,280
started about 1942

1776
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:48,400
so

1777
01:06:50,549 --> 01:06:49,599
you know these things were happening

1778
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,559
maybe

1779
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,480
if there is something along those lines

1780
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:54,640
maybe they just keep being keeping tabs

1781
01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:03,109
is there any record of these things

1782
01:07:06,549 --> 01:07:04,880
going inside the craft because we've

1783
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:06,559
euro trans median

1784
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:09,839
objects now and orbs i mean rascal cloud

1785
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:11,440
is spoken about

1786
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:16,549
yeah

1787
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:18,720
so there is it's not the european one

1788
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,960
but it's a pacific story there's a story

1789
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:22,160
of a

1790
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:27,280
saw one come out of the ocean

1791
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:30,640
and that was in 19 early 1945 i believe

1792
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:31,839
i mean it's not something i actually

1793
01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:34,000
researched but i'm dimly aware of a

1794
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:36,079
story of something coming out of the

1795
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:38,400
water so yeah there's attractiveness of

1796
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,359
the transmedia element i'll be limited

1797
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:43,839
but then again

1798
01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:45,520
you don't know about the stories that

1799
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:47,839
haven't been put in the records or the

1800
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,440
people won't tell because obviously a

1801
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:51,039
lot of people have died since then and

1802
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,160
they've taken these stories to their

1803
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,480
grades so they'll be chances are the

1804
01:07:58,950 --> 01:07:57,359
hundreds of thousands of stories that

1805
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,960
have never been told

1806
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,920
and

1807
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,280
something i didn't mention even in the

1808
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,359
records so i was talking about the

1809
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:04,799
records i looked at in london about

1810
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:07,680
squadrons um if you talk about the rf

1811
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,079
the squadron records aren't the same so

1812
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,280
you get say one squadron um

1813
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:14,960
and the records are brilliant they'll

1814
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:17,839
have a record for each aircraft on each

1815
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:18,799
raid

1816
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:20,719
and then another squadron will just have

1817
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:22,719
a summary for the range rather than each

1818
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,880
spot each aircraft each raid and then

1819
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:26,640
another squadron will have virtually

1820
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:28,400
nothing they'll just have oh yeah we'll

1821
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,839
drop the bombs on this target and that's

1822
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:30,719
it

1823
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:35,040
squadrons because they don't have that

1824
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:36,560
amount of information that you can look

1825
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,080
at and say oh yeah that well that's

1826
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,400
really strange what was that so there's

1827
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,159
a whole lot of stuff that is probably

1828
01:08:46,870 --> 01:08:45,040
never ever going to come out

1829
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:46,880
you hear about kit green is now

1830
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,239
investigating the injuries caused by

1831
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:51,839
supposedly these

1832
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,960
well there's certainly a story in the

1833
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:54,960
book about injuries caused by something

1834
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:57,279
that flew past an aircraft so

1835
01:09:03,990 --> 01:08:58,880
the same thing possibly happened in

1836
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,149
one good question in your presentation

1837
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:07,920
you said uh some of these fighters from

1838
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,560
the more days and it was open fired on

1839
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:11,520
yeah

1840
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:12,400
and

1841
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,920
nothing happened

1842
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,640
that

1843
01:09:22,750 --> 01:09:16,480
should have you got a clearer picture

1844
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:31,590
[Music]

1845
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:33,030
so you know

1846
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,359
try and explain that as you will and i

1847
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:37,440
can't explain it and they couldn't at

1848
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,279
the time

1849
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,520
but there's frequent references to

1850
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,359
things being fired on

1851
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:45,839
there are also frequent references to

1852
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,880
shapes being fired on which fall away

1853
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,600
so

1854
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:51,600
there are different versions of the same

1855
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:54,000
thing but in a lot of the early cases

1856
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:55,440
they opened fire on these lights and

1857
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:57,440
suddenly nothing happened the lights

1858
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:03,270
great yeah

1859
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:04,960
was there any uh

1860
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,360
connection between daytime cyclings and

1861
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:09,040
nighttime cycles were they all one or

1862
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,800
the other or both

1863
01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:12,239
well you had both you had daytime

1864
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:14,320
sightings and nighttime sightings so you

1865
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:15,520
had

1866
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:17,920
things like shoals of little black discs

1867
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,480
that fell wings of aircraft in the day

1868
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,080
you had those kind of balls you had

1869
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,000
something called the swollen bees which

1870
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:26,400
is like a brown cloud that people saw

1871
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,880
which didn't dissipate at all so these

1872
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,719
are all daytime phenomenon but they were

1873
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,159
different because after your night you

1874
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:34,960
saw lights you saw shapes which couldn't

1875
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,159
be reconciled to any german technology

1876
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,400
so yeah there's different things from

1877
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,400
day and from night but

1878
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:43,600
you know you just have a look at the

1879
01:10:47,189 --> 01:10:44,960
records and you see

1880
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:47,199
um you see all the things happen today

1881
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:57,030
anybody else

1882
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,270
with hello subject

1883
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:01,600
well that's a good one so the russians

1884
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:03,360
you have to treat what they say with a

1885
01:11:06,709 --> 01:11:04,640
printed salt

1886
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,719
because obviously the soviet union was

1887
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:08,000
very secretive in terms of their

1888
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:09,360
record-keeping

1889
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:11,199
and there are some stories that have

1890
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:13,600
come out of russia especially after

1891
01:11:17,410 --> 01:11:16,000
glasgow in like 91

1892
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:17,420
i've traveled to russia in 92

1893
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,640
[Music]

1894
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,400
and things were coming out of the

1895
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,880
woodwork then but because you don't have

1896
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,560
the information in terms of records or

1897
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:26,880
units even so you can't check

1898
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,880
independently to find out whether these

1899
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,800
people were in the squadrons who said

1900
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:32,080
the work

1901
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,600
i'll just quickly just go off the

1902
01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,199
tangent here there's one particular

1903
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,360
story about a bomber crew and about one

1904
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,440
pilot who said he saw some stuff that

1905
01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,120
appears in a book i'm not gonna mention

1906
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:42,640
the author's name but it appeared in the

1907
01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,600
book of the 1990s so i dug into this

1908
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:47,679
story and i checked the pilot turns out

1909
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:49,040
he wasn't even the squadron he said he

1910
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:50,719
was at the time

1911
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:51,440
so

1912
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:55,679
in the press and in boots over the years

1913
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,600
simply aren't true

1914
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,360
or at least they're not as true as the

1915
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:01,199
way that they're portrayed by the person

1916
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,560
telling the story

1917
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,880
so this is uh translate that back to the

1918
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:07,520
russian thing because you can't check

1919
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,040
so therefore you can't see whether it's

1920
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,040
true or not but there is one particular

1921
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,480
story and they're not russian but it

1922
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:14,159
happened on the russian front

1923
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,600
and it involves february 1943 the battle

1924
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:19,040
of crowd's new boer which is near

1925
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,360
leningrad seeing peter's birthday

1926
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,040
there was a huge battle which lasted for

1927
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,600
four days and on the first day of 10th

1928
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,960
10th of february

1929
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:29,280
there was um a spanish division they

1930
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,960
were called the blue division the 250th

1931
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:32,560
victory division they were fighting on

1932
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:34,719
the german side but in spanish they're

1933
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:38,080
all volunteers and three soldiers from

1934
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:39,679
this unit

1935
01:12:45,189 --> 01:12:41,760
said they saw what they thought was an

1936
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:45,199
upturned bathtub flying above the battle

1937
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,679
so the battle was going on the ground

1938
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:49,120
german and russian aircraft were

1939
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:50,800
fighting it out above

1940
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,280
and looking above this was this thing

1941
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,440
watching

1942
01:13:04,229 --> 01:12:57,920
and one of the spanish soldiers turned

1943
01:13:04,239 --> 01:13:08,870
so there you go

1944
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:16,830
hello

1945
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,280
everybody seems to have more welfare

1946
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:23,920
these days

1947
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:26,000
have you seen any sort of half credible

1948
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:32,370
purchased

1949
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,790
the limitations were by the phone

1950
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:48,400
do you know

1951
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:49,600
i

1952
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:52,560
but

1953
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,239
it's difficult to try and work out

1954
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,159
because i'm not i'm not like a kind of

1955
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:58,400
photographic interpreter i'm not someone

1956
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,600
who could look at a video and think oh

1957
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:01,440
yeah that's right that's wrong so i'll

1958
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:03,199
leave that to others

1959
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:05,199
and but i've never i've personally never

1960
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,040
seen anything that i think that's

1961
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,120
definitely something you know that but

1962
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,040
then again there are things which you go

1963
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:13,120
i need a bit more information i need a

1964
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,640
bit more kind of background and a bit

1965
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:17,199
more analysis of this

1966
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,000
so

1967
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,760
i mean the casing points i think just

1968
01:14:23,189 --> 01:14:21,679
came out in the week which people are

1969
01:14:25,189 --> 01:14:23,199
saying are birds

1970
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,199
and then the the helicopter pilots who

1971
01:14:29,030 --> 01:14:27,760
were on the ground and saw those three

1972
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:29,040
objects the ones that are circling

1973
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:31,120
around each other and it depends how far

1974
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,560
away from the camera from the clear

1975
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:34,560
camera they are could they be some

1976
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:37,520
distance away could they be really close

1977
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,199
could they be insects

1978
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:41,280
it's difficult to work out they're all

1979
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:43,440
various strands of thought and i'm no

1980
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,199
expert on that i'm afraid so i'm

1981
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,120
probably the wrong person to ask

1982
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:48,719
in terms of that you'd want to speak to

1983
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:51,120
somebody like um like dave beatty or

1984
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:53,120
dave felsh

1985
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:55,040
the latter is a fleer expert who used to

1986
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,960
work on them dave beatty was quite good

1987
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:58,719
at photo interpretation there's another

1988
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:01,360
guy called scott brown so they're all

1989
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:02,560
pretty good

1990
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:04,400
christophe

1991
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,520
as well yes yes the french guy yeah

1992
01:15:11,350 --> 01:15:10,080
yeah so there are people out there

1993
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,360
you'll see them on twitter if you're not

1994
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,920
on twitter already um i'm mostly on

1995
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:16,159
twitter i'm not facebook really but they

1996
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,600
are really good at looking at these

1997
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:18,880
things they know much more about this

1998
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,719
kind of thing than i do uh but yeah

1999
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,880
in terms of the fleet videos from 2017

2000
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:27,520
the three things videos now one of them

2001
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,840
was that one way it says it's rotating

2002
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,159
that does show something that you can't

2003
01:15:36,790 --> 01:15:34,320
explain it doesn't look like anything

2004
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,800
that people you know are aware of and i

2005
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,800
don't think it's a seagull and i don't

2006
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,040
know i don't think it's anything

2007
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,360
but what it is i can't tell you but

2008
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:44,880
that's probably the thing that really

2009
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:46,719
made me go

2010
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,640
that doesn't look right i don't know

2011
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:50,560
what that is

2012
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:52,239
so there you go i can't say more than

2013
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:53,360
that i'm sorry

2014
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,880
but i'm sure people have videos here

2015
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,640
people are holding their phones whether

2016
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:58,000
or not they're trying to get a signal or

2017
01:16:01,669 --> 01:15:59,199
not on their shirt and they want to show

2018
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:01,679
me something but really i'm afraid even

2019
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:03,520
if i see the footage i'm not going to

2020
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:04,480
tell you i'm not going to be able to

2021
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:05,760
tell you what it's trying or not because

2022
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:07,760
i'm not that kind of person

2023
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:12,709
i do have two pictures on my phone taken

2024
01:16:36,470 --> 01:16:33,830
again

2025
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:36,480
that's not my field of expertise so you

2026
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,920
know i'm probably the last person to ask

2027
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,679
about that there are much better people

2028
01:16:43,510 --> 01:16:41,679
out there who are more qualified to

2029
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:43,520
interpret those and come up with an

2030
01:16:59,860 --> 01:16:50,630
sorry about that i hope everyone's gonna

2031
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:08,290
[Music]

2032
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,790
well he clearly believes you've seen

2033
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:17,280
multiple things and i don't know whether

2034
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:19,360
it turns out to be one thing that

2035
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:21,360
happened and then it's

2036
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:23,440
things seen in that context or whether

2037
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,400
he genuinely does see a strand of things

2038
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:28,400
i can't say i'm not there i've got no

2039
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:30,400
frame of reference to be able to say

2040
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,600
whether it's true or not um it's

2041
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:35,920
i'm it's not that i don't believe people

2042
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:38,880
it's just i can't i can't be there and

2043
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,320
see it myself

2044
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,640
so i'm only going on people's testimony

2045
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:45,120
and it's it's difficult for me because i

2046
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,560
deal in sort of what i keep telling

2047
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,320
people nuts and bolts

2048
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:50,159
things like records and

2049
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:51,760
instructions that i can look at and then

2050
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:54,080
go oh yeah that's that that's that when

2051
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:55,120
i'm looking at

2052
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,239
you know things like that and

2053
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:59,040
experiences and abductions that's when

2054
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,320
my kind of

2055
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:02,400
ability to look at things and think yeah

2056
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,080
that's right that's wrong just

2057
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:06,080
completely fails me so i don't that's

2058
01:18:09,830 --> 01:18:07,760
why i don't look at that kind of stuff

2059
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,840
so you won't see me writing about it you

2060
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,520
won't see me really commenting on it

2061
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:12,800
because i can't

2062
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:16,239
i've got no expertise in that at all

2063
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,199
yeah

2064
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,280
i wouldn't i won't tell people things

2065
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,960
just to say something

2066
01:18:23,669 --> 01:18:22,480
and just to make something up so i can

2067
01:18:30,229 --> 01:18:23,679
you know write book on it something like

2068
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:32,630
oh hello there sorry all right

2069
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:36,000
you know what when they were

2070
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:37,440
all the bomb has been dropped you know

2071
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:50,870
there's a strand of thought that sort of

2072
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:52,400
things that those might be responsible

2073
01:18:56,310 --> 01:18:54,480
it might be kind of tectonic stripes any

2074
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:56,320
kind not just for the bombs

2075
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:57,520
because bear in mind some of these

2076
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:58,560
things didn't happen when they were

2077
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,840
actually bombing because when they were

2078
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,679
flying to and from the targets

2079
01:19:04,790 --> 01:19:03,280
and there is a screw of thought that

2080
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:04,800
thinks that it might be things like that

2081
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,320
the hustle button lights

2082
01:19:10,550 --> 01:19:09,120
as well uh similar kind of phenomenon

2083
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:10,560
it's possible

2084
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,000
that

2085
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,400
britain did drop what we call earthquake

2086
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:17,040
bombs on targets in germany the 22 000

2087
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:18,000
pound

2088
01:19:24,790 --> 01:19:22,320
there's actually a story in the book

2089
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,800
about a bomber crew that were dropping a

2090
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:26,880
tallboy bomb when something flew past

2091
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,310
they dropped tall boys and grand slam on

2092
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:34,480
the on the turkish yeah turned turtle

2093
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:36,080
but

2094
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,760
whether or not there's a link again it's

2095
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,880
a good question it's one of those things

2096
01:19:42,630 --> 01:19:40,400
we're not going to be able to work out

2097
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:42,640
until there's some kind of breakthrough

2098
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:44,880
in terms of understanding earth lights i

2099
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:47,120
can't rule it out but i can't rule it

2100
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:48,560
either it's one of those things where we

2101
01:19:52,239 --> 01:20:03,240
yes

2102
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,350
[Music]

2103
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:07,679
yeah so if you look at the american the

2104
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:10,159
german records they actually destroyed a

2105
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,239
complete year's worth

2106
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:14,000
and also there's a

2107
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,520
sort of thing in german culture where

2108
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:17,600
they don't necessarily

2109
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:19,840
look at ufos certainly straight after

2110
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,280
the war wasn't something they got into

2111
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,960
like the americans and the british did

2112
01:20:27,510 --> 01:20:24,560
and the french did as well

2113
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,520
and they're very dismissive of it there

2114
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,120
are people in germany who do look at the

2115
01:20:33,750 --> 01:20:31,600
subject but they're not as numerous as

2116
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:33,760
they are in other countries and there's

2117
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,239
nobody as far as i'm aware that has you

2118
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,480
know fluency in german and also the know

2119
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:40,639
how to look through military records has

2120
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:42,080
actually done so

2121
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,600
and i have tried to contact people in

2122
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:45,440
germany but you get nowhere with the

2123
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,880
subject it's almost like we don't want

2124
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:48,000
to look at it

2125
01:20:51,189 --> 01:20:49,440
so we would need someone to go through

2126
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,199
the surviving records

2127
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,440
who is very fluent in german and

2128
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:55,679
technical terms in german and military

2129
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:57,520
terminology in german as well to

2130
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,239
decipher it i've looked at some

2131
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:02,159
reports i have a little bit of german

2132
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,520
enough to be able to look at the

2133
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:05,920
military terminology but beyond that i

2134
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:07,760
couldn't find anything and people

2135
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,080
mention that there are reports but when

2136
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:12,080
you pin them down saying well where are

2137
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:15,760
they you get nowhere so there are rumors

2138
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:19,120
of prisoner of war um interrogations i'm

2139
01:21:22,550 --> 01:21:20,480
still looking for those reports because

2140
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:22,560
i know where they are i just can't find

2141
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,600
the actual

2142
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:25,600
reports that say he's there he's an air

2143
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,480
crew who said they saw these but i might

2144
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:30,320
find them but it won't it won't be the

2145
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:40,950
is that okay

2146
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,950
yeah do you remember michael yeah he's

2147
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,199
the guy who wouldn't respond to me

2148
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:47,600
yet but do you know why within the

2149
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:48,880
catholic church

2150
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:52,080
okay he's actually like you know work

2151
01:22:05,030 --> 01:21:53,520
and stuff

2152
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,510
unfortunately so it is what it is

2153
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,440
but there are people in france who have

2154
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,280
done it but there are also people in

2155
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:14,000
france who have um come up with hoaxes

2156
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,120
to try and

2157
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:17,280
stop other authors plagiarizing their

2158
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,159
work

2159
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:20,400
so there are some knowledge hoaxes in

2160
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:22,080
terms of food fighters and

2161
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,600
investigations at the food fighters

2162
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,360
during the war i'm not going to spoil

2163
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:27,120
the surprise in terms of what that is

2164
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,960
you'll have to buy a book but there are

2165
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:30,639
certain things as well so some of the

2166
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:32,880
things that people think are true

2167
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,550
okay

2168
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:40,080
well thanks very much everybody you've

2169
01:22:42,050 --> 01:22:41,280
been a great audience thanks for the

2170
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:42,060
questions

2171
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:43,250
[Music]

2172
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:51,590
i've got a few of those books in the

2173
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,440
background there and i've also written a

2174
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:56,080
book about the 1950 to 52 aerial

2175
01:22:59,590 --> 01:22:57,679
sightings so there's a whole load of

2176
01:23:06,070 --> 01:22:59,600
research into various encounters with

2177
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:07,830
yeah do come down have a look at the box

2178
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:10,320
here and uh still a few available if you

2179
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,520
want to

2180
01:23:15,270 --> 01:23:13,600
uh thanks great we really appreciate

2181
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:15,280
that talk we certainly know a lot more

2182
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:16,800
about food fighters than we did at the

2183
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,639
beginning of the evening it's another

2184
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:21,199
small piece in a very very large jigsaw

2185
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:22,560
isn't it

2186
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:23,760
so um

2187
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:26,239
next month next month we've got david

2188
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,040
hodrian from birmingham ufo group coming

2189
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:31,360
down to speak to us it's quite an active

2190
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:33,199
group quite a large group we've been up

2191
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:34,880
there to talk to them on various

2192
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:37,360
subjects and david's coming down to talk

2193
01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,920
to us next month i think he's talking

2194
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:42,080
about screen memories

2195
01:23:45,830 --> 01:23:44,080
which uh you may know a little bit about

2196
01:23:47,830 --> 01:23:45,840
and if you don't we certainly will do

2197
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,840
next month okay so thank you very much

2198
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,679
for coming i appreciate it and thank you

2199
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:51,360
again to great for coming for such a

2200
01:23:55,660 --> 01:23:52,960
long distance so you are such a great